Tuesday, February 21, 2017

Hyunwoo Ha’s lecture at Chosun University (Apr 2015)

Hyunwoo Ha’s lecture at Chosun University (Lecture date: 28 April 2015)
Translated by Guckkasten-English

Credits to
1. 포도가지 http://blog.naver.com/sonkhj1116
2. alsdudk from Naver (also a member in Cyworld’s Guckkasten Club)
3. http://gall.dcinside.com/mgallery/board/view/?id=ppl0523&no=15049


Hello, everyone. My name is Hyun-woo Ha and I am the vocalist of Guckkasten.

I often get lost when I speak, but because today is a special day, I have prepared myself like this. Look. (shows notes) Speaking is not something I find difficult, but meeting the audience without my music and just with my life’s story is quite unfamiliar. I’m rather nervous and I’m actually a little scared, but I’ll muster my courage.

The reason why I decided to come here is because I came to read the critical essay, ‘Fall of Ethica’, and found this book more captivating than any other novels. Although I still have a long way to go to introduce myself as an artist, this book has given me some guidance in what I need to pursue as an artist. In Guckkasten’s 2nd album, there is a song called ‘Feather’, and this song was written with an inspiration I got from a passage in this book that said ‘I always give unstinted praise to those that have fallen. Is it not the most beautiful part of human that they gain what they have pursued and then fall nobly?’ I felt I must not turn down the call from someone that inspired me so. (Note: The author of ‘Fall of Ethica’, Hyung-Chul Shin, invited Hyun-Woo to give lecture to his students) It would be an honour and a good experience for me personally.

I am in charge of guitar, vocal, song writing, and interviews in Guckkasten. I cannot make other members do the interview. I’ve had a lot of ups and downs before I formed the band Guckkasten. I’d like to tell you how I came about here with music.

I was born in Jangsoo of Jeollabukdo (North Jeolla Province), and moved to Ansan when I was 7. I spent all my school years in Ansan, and I was just a quiet student. I was full of dreams when I was in the 1st grade. I wanted to do so many things, and I still have many dreams. But I’m quick to decide whether I would work on something or not, so if I feel I cannot continue, then I would stop. Amongst all these, music was something that I could continue doing until the end without losing much energy.

I admit my music is quite difficult and there are some elements that people find uncomfortable. It’s probably because the music is based on one’s deficiencies.  Some say that I look a little handsome now because of my fair skin and looking younger than my age, and because of my appearance people think I may not know much about suffering. But I didn’t look like this in my teenage years. You can say that I’ve groomed up with age. I lacked in many ways when I was young and I spent my teenage years in turmoil. I felt I was a reject, full of incompetence, helplessness, and a loser. I was physically weak, I wasn’t exceptionally smart, nor was I tall or strong. I felt I was a nobody and this reached its peak in my middle school years (7th to 9th grade). I had no friends and all I can remember about myself at that time was just drawing cartoons at the corner of a classroom. I was frightfully shy and because I did not speak much with my family, I was literally trapped inside myself.

I had a girlfriend when I was in 11th grade but she cheated on me and dated another guy from Incheon. (Note: Incheon is a city situated northwest of Ansan, approx. 29km away) I thought to myself then, ‘how pathetic could I be to lose my girl to another guy’. I think that was probably the first time that I really looked into myself. I tried to think of something that I was better than others, but I could think of nothing. The only charming point I had were my ankles. Can you imagine how sad this is? Small ears, very few eyebrows, short in height, thin wrists, I was pathetic. I hated myself for being born this way. I thought, ‘am I just going to face reality and give up, or am I going to improve my life by tuning myself?’

At that time, my mother sent me to art institute without letting my father know. One day, the instructor there said ‘Do you know when a man looks most attractive? It is when he is completely absorbed in something; like me right now’ and just like he said, he looked really cool. So I thought I will find something to concentrate, but I cannot show off drawing to girls, because you draw and paint on your own. Something that I could show off to others was music and singing.

I actually hated going to singing rooms. I remember in year 10, I wanted to get into the student council and I sat for an interview. They asked me what I was good at, and I told them I don’t have a talent, but I have a hobby of humming songs on my own. They asked me to sing a song in front of them, and I murmured the 1st phrase of a slow ballad and just walked out. So I didn’t get in. That is how much I hated singing in front of other people. But I went to singing rooms four times a week and sometimes more, and sang until I coughed up blood when I decided to renew myself from the wounded heart. Shouting and singing also changed my personality and I’ve become quite outgoing. Guys, girls, everybody saw me as a really cool guy and I completely nailed it during the school festival in my year 12. I was a bit up myself at that time and I went on the stage in baggy outfits; no tie, shirt out and sleeves rolled up, dragging my shoes, and sang ‘She’s gone’ under a spotlight. I received deafening cheers for the first time in my life, and I realized that one can be loved when he/she really focus and work on something.

But as all parents do, my parents wanted me to go to a university and they were severely against music. My mother once wished to become an artist but she gave up on her dreams because she couldn’t study art in the countryside and she had to support the family. So she was supportive about me going to an art college. My father was against the idea because he thought learning technical skills would be more practical for living. But I eventually ended up going to an art school. I did not sing for quite some time.

Then the funny thing happened. In my freshmen year, I was walking down the street near the college and a homeless looking guy comes up to me. He says ‘Excuse me’ and I was like, ‘..yes?’ I had a weird fashion sense at that time with my hair dyed in green, and I was in Nirvana t-shirt, green pants, and green shoes. He asks, ‘Do you like music?’ and I said ‘Yes, I do’. Then he asks ‘Can you sing?’ and I said ‘Yes, I like singing’. Then he tells me that he’s in a school band and he is in the same college, studying tourism management. I tell him that I’m majoring art and we find we’re both 20. He said the band is doing punk and that the singer doesn’t need good skills, but just need to express one’s anger. So I auditioned for the band and I think I sang some songs by Skid Row, like “I remember you”. They found me better than they had expected. They thought I would just scream but after hearing me sing, they wanted me in. I performed like crazy since then.

But soon after, the seniors in the band hazed newcomers and we had to drink a lot of alcohol. Obviously this wasn’t what I had planned as I wanted to do real music. I hate this kind of junior-senior relationship because I had similar experience of getting beaten up by the seniors in the art club at high school. I seriously thought about leaving the band and doing the music for real, and I discussed my plans with the drummer over some instant noodles and soju at a playground. I think I looked trustworthy in the drummer’s eyes. The drummer is really a weirdo. He got himself in a band not because he liked playing drums, but because he just likes doing something on stage. When he gets hyped from playing drums, he pulls out cymbals and does that funny dance. He needed someone that took music seriously, because he can’t be doing that funny dance all alone, right? He told me that if I leave to go to Seoul for some serious music, he is determined to follow me and quit school as well.

When you’re only 20, you’re almost ignorant of the world. Of course, the 20 year olds here would probably have your own life’s philosophy, but when you look back after a decade, you will realize that you were kind of cute now. For me, I’m talking about my life 15 years ago from now. The world that I knew when I was only 20, its boundaries, seeing the world through the things that I have experienced… I knew nothing of society. I had so many thoughts passing through my mind; the despairs, the helplessness, and fear I experienced in my teenage years, and without knowing much about the real world out there, I decided to quit my studies. Of course I could have just applied for leave and come back, but I did not want to leave any room for returning. When I look back now, I think I had the guts to be decisive because I was ignorant. Ignorance is really scary because it makes you become a daredevil. When I told my mom about quitting my studies for good, she was completely shocked and disappointed. If I were a parent and my child left school like that, I would be, too. My parents were totally heartbroken and I heard things like “I never want to see you again”, “you’re no longer my son” and all that. I couldn’t go back home, so the drummer and I sought lodgings at our friends’ place.

Our friends started avoiding us and closed doors as this prolonged. Then my life got really rough and I lived in all kinds of ways that I possibly could. I faced reality that was difficult for a 20 year old to bear. The drummer, he’s very dirty and unhygienic. When we first met, he had ice cream on his face, and his t-shirt that I thought to be of a straw colour was actually white gone sallow. I huddled up with this guy to pass the blistering cold winter. There was a time when I couldn’t take a bath for a month, so I earned money from part-time jobs like home delivery services and worked at construction sites, so I could at least have money to take a shower and eat to survive. I think I spent most of my 20s at construction sites. I literally built the YMCA building in Ansan! 

All these felt like I was imposing punishment on myself. I had to take responsibility for the decision that I made. The exhaustion from physical labour, the cold, but even in anxiety, it felt euphoric even. I felt I was lashing myself. I am actually very lazy and passive, and I guess I needed something to push me to the edge. Looking back now, I think I made the right choice in my younger years. I imagined doing music without having to carry and move heavy things and I am grateful that things turned out this way. How I came to be who I am right now is because there was the reckless and ignorant 20 year old Hyunwoo back then. What seemed reckless and worthless then, may turn out to be the critical turning point.

After such wandering period, we finally got to come to Seoul. We left only a note in the school band. ‘We leave for real music. Sorry.’ and we ran away. We looked out for a guitarist for the band as there were only vocal and drums. We posted recruiting offers on the internet with a message that went something like ‘though we may have not achieved a lot now, we have unlimited potentials to become great, so whoever that wants to make fabulous songs, join this band.’ With this, we met our current guitarist, Gyuho Jun. He came to Seoul with a guitar he bought with the money he earned from digging a tunnel, but we couldn’t play together because we couldn’t play the instruments properly. I didn’t even know what C chord was. Gyuho was utterly shocked and was about to leave, but we held him back. We were desperate for him to join us because when he played, we couldn’t see his fingers move because he played so fast. We wanted him at all costs, and we started living together.

We copied well known songs at first. Hard-core, rap, ballads, SeoTaiji (Note: famous Korean pop-group from early 90’s) and many others, and we went around clubs at Hongdae area (Short or “Hong-Ik University”. Around Hongdae, there are many clubs and stages for underground bands to perform, and many indie-bands start their music careers here) and asked them to give us chance to play. The name of our band was “New Unbalance”. I liked New Balance shoes, but I played around with the name and called it New Unbalance, and hence the name was made out of fun. At that time we just enjoyed being on stage to sing and perform.

After about a year or two, the weight of reality became a heavy burden and we could not maintain the band just for fun. We were amateurs in music, and we were exhausted from the band life as we could not perform for amusement. We worked too much. It is important to experience as many things as possible in your 20s, but the reality that a 20-21 year old Hyunwoo had to bear was too much, and I was mentally burnt out. The band dismembered and we made another band, The C.O.M. It stood for ‘the compass of music’ and I felt the name was just awesome. I wanted the band to be more organized and systematic, and rather than doing the music just for fun, we wanted to develop musically and started making our own music.

I came to a deadlock when I had to write lyrics for the songs because all I experienced were the years of wandering and amusement. It was the first time that I came to treat music seriously. The things I thought in my teenage years were ‘why am I like this, why am I in this world’, and I started questioning about my true self when I started writing lyrics. I couldn’t write about the world because I knew nothing about it. Hence I thought ‘myself’ would be the best source to work on because there is nothing I knew better than myself. But when I actually came to write about me, I realized I knew absolutely nothing. Then I started to really contemplate about who Hyunwoo is. But the more I thought, the more complicated I got. I had always thought I knew myself well, but I knew nothing about me, which was far less than I knew about my friends. I needed to find someone that could help me out when I was confused but the people around me were only Gyuho who knew nothing except for guitar, and Jung-gil who had no brains at all. Hence that led me to books.

Before then, I considered books to be just a bunch of papers with difficult words, tied in a bundle. But then again, writings, whether it be an essay, an article, or whatever, they are the composition of the authors’ thoughts that is portrayed on paper. The authors arranged their thoughts and stories that they wanted to share with the others, and they carefully selected words through much consideration. I started reading in hopes that I would be able to communicate with the author whilst I was reading. To be honest, I could not understand a lot of the parts when I read a book. The words were difficult. Introspection was, like, intro what?  Ego… what’s its definition? All these were unknown universe. Myself was an undiscovered world and books, they, too, were new. I spent my early 20s like that and I went to do my service in military. (Note: all Korean men between the ages of 18~38 must serve in military for approximately 22 months.)

Before I went to do military service, my 20s were just nothing. My life was nothing but sufferings, and although I felt I was working hard and searching hard, the sense of helplessness and emptiness never left me. When I think back, I feel the most terrifying thing in this world is feeling helpless. If I threw myself into the world more boldly and failed marvellously, I would at least have the scars of failure. But I didn’t face the challenge resolutely enough and spent my time carelessly like a ghost. I wasted my youth like that.

When I served in military, I served as a driver because I had a working experience of driving a van at a music institute when I was 22. I was frequently reprimanded for being directionally challenged. I was also ordered to be a cheerleader during a football match because I excelled in shouting. I got caught from playing a guitar, so I was banned from singing and playing the instrument, so I had to turn my desires for guitar to something else. Hence I began to write and read. I think I read more booked in those two years than all throughout my life. I think I read every book I could find there, even reading “Donguibogam” (Note: Donguibogam is a medical encyclopaedia of Korean medicine, also known as Principles and Practice of Eastern Medicine.) My writings were raw and rough, but I just kept on writing nevertheless.

Then in one autumn, I think I was a corporal then, I was writing things on my notepad at military training ground. I had a dream of becoming a poet and I liked writing poems. It was a windy day, and I heard the wind’s voice as it swept by me. Please don’t think this is weird. You may think I’m talking of complete nonsense, but it is my true experience. I rarely talk about this because I get weird looks, but... oh well. The wind tells me ‘everything will pass’. I was totally stunned because I was the only one there. Then I realized for the first time, that all the things surrounding me had been trying to talk to me in their own language.

The title of Guckkasten’s 2nd album is ‘Frame’. I saw this frame as one’s view and their attention. I gave such name because I wanted to convey the message that “the things I miss out on, the things that are always with me, and the things that I always see but the ones that I do not pay attention to, these lifeless things will become alive and will come to me the moment I look with attention”. I first experienced this from the wind at the military training ground.

Before this experience, I tried to find something inside myself when I write but from the moment I experienced the possibility of communicating with objects, I placed myself in many different positions. I substituted and compared myself with the object, and became the object itself. Through this process, I learned many things and felt my range of thoughts and identity were expanding. This was such a thrilling and exciting experience for me and I wrote on madly.

I have never formally learnt all the things that I do. I never learnt how to write a song, so it takes many hours for me to make a song. Basically it takes me 3 days plus. And because I don’t have the fundamental knowledge, even if it is just writing short lyrics, I select and assort words from my writings that are 4-5 pages long in A4 sheets. It is discouraging when people’s reactions are ‘What is this? Your writings are pretentious and weird’ when I poured my heart and soul into it. But they could be right. I’m not a complete man and my music was made from an incomplete environment.  I think I am at a stage of developing by showing my music to people and maturing from them. Seeing these processes and sharing these changes and experience together is a part of art and I believe it is one of the beauties of it.

I learned pottery after being discharged from the military service, then Gyuho called me to do music one last time and I went to Gangwondo. I wrote songs madly for a year and half, and went on stage from time to time.

Since I never learned how to express and organize a structure of a song, the music was rather poor in quality and I was just lost. We made a solemn promise amongst ourselves when we first wrote our songs, which was that we will not make our music to reflect society. That our songs will be about exploring our egos, developing our identity, authenticity, and building a firm musical realm. The reason why we chose to make our songs away from society is because we felt that we had to step out from the social and moral boundaries to create our own robust art.  I looked up for the definition of ‘morality’ through Naver (the most used search engine in Korea) and it said ‘conformity to the rules of right, public opinion, or virtuous conduct that constituents of a society must carry out’. Following common practices within a society may be the right thing to do, but I thought art had to be something different and must not follow social practices. Of course, this is only limited to Guckkasten’s music and its theme and how the band should be put forward.

Therefore it was difficult. It would have been so much easier to find sources for music and commune with listeners if we chose to sing about love or things that surround us. I regarded Guckkasten as the last band of my life. If the band did not work out, I would have become a potter by now. Pottery was charming and I learnt a fair bit. Anyways, we worked at a bar in the evening and made songs during the day at the guest house (Note: the guest house was run by Gyuho’s parents), and eventually we came out with a demo.

The music we created then is different from the music we showed in ‘I am Singer’. (Note: I am Singer is a Korean music program that brought much attention to Guckkasten.) If ‘I am Singer’ is a decorated version with lot of make-ups, Guckkasten’s music is a naked face with no make-ups, so the songs are odd and peculiar, and this goes the same for our lyrics. These are the things that I found in myself from self-exploration.

When we released the demo, I was taken aback. Even I found my music to be strikingly odd and strange. Then I came to realize ‘This is how I look. These are the things that I have. I am the person that is like my songs.’ It was hard to find myself when I tried so much, but I came to know myself when I saw the outcome that was created in the searching process. I learnt this from the music that I made. The anxiety, the queerness, the strangeness of something that is comprehensive when it is seen roughly but actually incomprehensive, the ominous sources... I think these are the beauty of Guckkasten’s music. This is why we are difficult to appeal to the public, because not many people can easily respond to our music. But as you know, my voice is rather refreshing, clear, and charming, and I can be a little attractive when I am singing, right? So I wasn’t so much worried that Guckkasten’s music would be too far off from the public. At the same time, I knew that due to precariousness in our music, the listeners may find our songs a bit difficult. But to me, these uncertainties are extremely charming.

 Have you ever heard of an art genre called cubism? Pablo Picasso’s works are called cubism. It is an investigation on epistemology (theory of knowledge), which means looking into our general knowledge to see how we came to know them, and falling through the expectations of audiences and perplexing them. This is similar to our music. Investigating the things that we think we know and contemplating on how we came to know them, and we fall through the expectations of listeners, but it’s not discouraging them, but only puzzling them and giving them an unfamiliar shock.

For example, let’s say that I am a blind person, who has never seen anything throughout the entire life, but had a successful surgery and just saw things for the first time. Do you think I can immediately say that a rose is beautiful and a blue sky is wonderful? I think the shock and awe of unfamiliarity starts right there.  There are many things that we see all the time through the same frame; objects, people, ideas and ideologies, our identities, and et cetera. But I am trying to look at these with some unfamiliarity and from a different angle, so that it would give a new perspective and could be viewed differently, and I’d like to pursue these in my music.

We’ve reached our thirties while we were pursuing for these new perspectives and we thought we had built our firm musical realm. Even though it was a little awkward with some faults here and there, and it was imperfect like an unripe fruit, but we thought we had our own world of music. We had that pride and confidence. Hence we did not succeed financially with our music then. I’m not saying that things are different now because it’s the same, but even in that situation, I was happy and confident. It is because I had my own way of expressing myself and my world in my own language.

Then we got a chance to go on ‘I am a Singer’, the TV show. This TV program motivated us to tear down our world and re-build it. It was also a good chance to promote the band Guckkasten, and personally, I got to reflect on my identity as a vocalist by contemplating how I would sing a song, how I would analyse it, and how I would treat that piece. This is because it is different from singing Guckkasten’s songs. I know Guckkasten’s songs because I made them and I’m the one who knows that song the best. Singing other people’s songs and analysing the music in my own ways, made me carefully consider about my identity as a vocalist. It was also a good experience to carry the responsibility to put on a good show to the public. We really worked hard so that we wouldn’t embarrass ourselves in front of the whole country. I think we performed 15 songs altogether, and we worked extremely hard with rearranging and playing the piece so we wouldn’t make a fool of ourselves. Luckily, many people received us well and going on the show was a wonderful experience for us. That program’s stage gives different tension from the stages that we usually go on, so the program had helped us immensely.

But then your days cannot always be sunny, and we got into a legal dispute with our former agency. Our working studios and practicing studios were gone and we came back to Ansan and got a small room at a rooftop. We did not perform as we did not want to force ourselves to work during the litigation period. We felt we needed some time to look back at ourselves and our music after being together for more than a decade. Hence we spent a year and half without performing, and I created my own world at the small rooftop space. I spent an average 11 hours per day for a year and half writing music. I wrote madly and made countless songs. I tore down my method of expressing music, my own mechanism, and everything. Then I developed and created new ways of expression and methods and wrote songs for the 2nd album and some more.

Looking back now, I come to think the litigation period had turned out to be a rather valuable time for me. I think I tend to achieve something through some kind of an incident... like I have to drop out of school when I was a student, I have to go to Gangwondo and do some strange music, I have to read books in the army... like these cases, I think I always tend to be in some kind of a situation to get something. Like the characters from novels, the story develops with an incident and conflicts arise but then come to a solution and a change is made. I tried not to look at these incidents negatively, and I tried to make these incidents beneficial, and these times turned out to be very helpful.

I think my attitude towards my life changed, too. Until then, I only focused on myself, thinking ‘I am just going to do the things I like’ and worked hard on my own. But I learnt a big lesson as I got a lot of support from my fans that sent me letters with words of support and presents like heath supplements. I quote from one of my favourite books, ‘The Zahir’ by Paulo Coelho. ‘When I had nothing more to lose, I was given everything. When I ceased to be who I am, I found myself. When I experienced humiliation and yet kept on walking, I understood that I was free to choose my destiny.’ I very much empathize with this part and this led me to write ‘Oedipus’. You all know Oedipus, right? From the Greek myths? I am not talking about Oedipus complex, but the character itself. I used the character Oedipus in the song to express the life I felt throughout my 35 years of living and the will to develop the destiny.

After going through this difficult period, we got to release our 2nd album. It is receiving good remarks. In our 1st album, we expressed the things as it was, saying it hurts when it hurt. For instance, if there is a monster in the maze, I wrote there is a monster in the maze, and there is only entrance and no exit. Guckkasten’s 1st album was about appealing a kind of symptom to others. It is a lot like looking back at my teenage years. I cannot exactly explain why but I think I’ve been sensing those all along. My first goal was to describe those uneasy things, just as they were, and in order to do so I did a lot of image trainings.

I just think of an image when I am making music because I do not know the chords or the flow, having not learnt them. For example, Oedipus is walking. He is walking to overcome his destiny. Tum-ta-da, tum-ta-da, tum-ta-da, tum-ta-da. The song was written at this tempo, with this beat. Another example, in Faust, which is a song that I wrote after reading the book ‘Faust’, there is a part with a lyric that says ‘about to pull the trigger’. I thought of an image of firing a gun, pulling a trigger, going ‘bang-bang-bang’, and we’ve put this in our song and there is a part where the song goes tum-tum-tum, doom-doom-doom.  Something like this. So when I am writing a song, I think of an image rather than working on the melody or chords, and this gave uniqueness in our music, making our songs interesting to listen to. I think this kind of expression is the most important source in Guckkasten’s music.

So, we are continuing with music after all these ups and down, and I think lot about why I am doing music and for what. I tend to think about ‘why am I doing this in this way’ when I am working on something, and I think about why am I singing for living, when I could have done something else like pottery, painting, or office works.  As I have mentioned earlier, I thought of myself to be a reject in my youth. Like a failure and someone that was not supposed to be born. I’ve been living with such belief, but with music, I found the possibility to fill the emptiness with acquired sources and build up my life in my own way. Of course this can be found in many other areas such as in writing, drawing, and athletes can find this through the sports that they do. Whatever it may be that people put their minds to, some may find the things that they want.

Therefore, music is like a weapon that I got for myself. Like a rusty sword, my weapon may not function fully, but nevertheless it is a sword to stand up against something, thereby giving me the boldness and courage. I can say 불유여력(不遺餘力, reads like bool-yoo-yuh-ryuck) for the makings of our 2nd album. It means ‘to exhaust all energy and leave none behind’. I once read in a book that there is ‘a law on gross volume of lunacy’, which means that if you exhaust all your craziness in youth, then there is no lunacy left to use later. I’m not making this up, but it is really something that I read in a book. If I could live my life by breathing, interpreting, and communicating with music, and if I put in all I have into music and see myself become lighter, I think I would have nothing to regret when I look back at my life. For me, music is a great tool to focus the remainder of my energy and to pour in all my stories. Lastly, I am doing music because I realized that I can wake up through it. I can find my possibilities and be aware that I can become something that I pursue.

You’ve all heard of an English word ‘nothing’ right? I think there are too many nothings around us and in this society nowadays. People’s reactions are slow and they are numb at incidents and accidents, and I think we need to wake up from this phenomenon. Be it through music or art, we have to open our eyes. Even our emotions are schematized these days. As Mr Hyung-Chul Shin said before, so many music and art contents that are pouring out, but the impacts that these contents can give are all schematized and we are so used to them. Beauty in art that can influence nothing seem to be everywhere, but I am hoping that people would wake up and interpret the contents and find their own views and enjoy beauty with their own perspective.

There were many things that I wanted to say and I’ve prepared a lot, but I think my time is up now. By sharing the story of my life, I would like to say that the most important thing in life is to stay awake. Being just alive and living your life is different, and I hope you do not delude yourself by thinking that you are living your life just because you have your eyes open and are breathing. You need to develop your life in your own way. Especially, if you are in your 20s, a tiny will, attention, and your own views on yourself can change your life. Your life is not a one way road and you cannot un-change your life, but you can renew it again and again. If you accept your life, believing you can change it to be the way you want it to be, we could maybe leave this world with leaving no regrets behind. This was Hyunwoo Ha, the vocal of Guckkasten. Thank you.


Tuesday, December 27, 2016

Article and Interview from Sangsang Madang 2009


This is an interview and an article on Guckkasten from Sangsang Madang. The article was written back in 2009, so it is outdated, but it is definitely worth reading to know more about Guckkasten.

All translation done by Guckkasten-English



[Happy breadwinning] Guckkasten, How passionately insane are you?
Date: 2009.08.18

Guckkasten, a band that turns lunacy to luminescence

The zenith of ‘bahl-gwang(發狂, lunacy)’ is ‘bahl-gwang(發光, luminescence)’. At the peak of mad insanity, at the heat’s extreme, at the moment of ecstasy, the madness turns to radiance. Such light is different from the natural lights that chase away the darkness. It’s the light that bends and distorts. At the climax of distortion, it creates another madness, and its light infects the surroundings in no time.

Here, there are four guys. These guys are the ones that shake their bodies wildly. The sounds and motions that they create aim for sky and all the things way down below. These men that seek the polar opposites are lunacy themselves. They easily cross the borders of each poles of lunacy. Hence the radiance is their nature.



The men that hold both ‘gwang (lunacy and radiance)’ are called ‘Guckkasten’.They have been selected as The Rookie of the Year at EBS Space Sympathy, and they are one of the most popular indie bands these days. The concert hall becomes especially noisy when they go on stage as many fans gather to see them perform. Their 1st album ‘Guckkasten (Before Regular Album)’, which they released in February, has already sold over 3,000 copies. Riding the momentum, they held concerts in China and Japan. They met the best year in 8 years since they formed the band.

Guckkasten’s music, resembling a fine fabric

Guckkasten’s music is very much like a finely woven fabric. The texture of their sound is delicate, and the structure that that connects each seconds and minutes is sophisticated. The harmony of a hearty vocal (Hyunwoo Ha, born 1981), drummer (Jung-gil Lee, born 1981) and bassist (Kibum Kim, born 1985) with sturdiness and groove, and guitarist (Gyuho Jun, born 1979) makes one resemble a fine and delicate garment. The extraordinary timbre of guitar that appears at every corner of their songs is one of the best features of their music. Their music has the charm to capture the listeners to play their music over and over again.

A pop-music critic, Eunseok Park, said “The only miss is sound production. Thus, their first step is all the more promising.” on Guckkasten’s music. Dongyun Lee, a professor from Korea National University of Arts, have welcomed the rookie saying “Attractive sound, extraordinary lyrics, charming vocal, hope they will do more than just in the indie scene.” The editor of webzine ‘Bo-Da’, Haksun Kim, have also given a favorable comment, “a psychedelic kaleidoscope that becomes new at each listening”. These people who are also the judges of Korea's Pop Music Awards have graded 4 stars and 4.5 stars (out of 5 stars) on Guckkasten’s 1st album.

However, the studio album does not prove Guckkasten’s true abilities. Their real worth can be found on the concert stage. They do not lose a moment during their performance. They turn the stage upside down and shake the audience from head to toe. Thus it brings one to sit on the edge of a chair. Their performances make one wonder if a man’s flesh and bones could stand such explosiveness. That is how wild and impressive Guckkasten’s stage is.

Recently we met with Guckkasten, with a little anxiousness on the welfare of their flesh and bones. The four of them were drenched in sweat. Their voices were louder than necessary. But no one frowned. It may be because we felt the innocent passion of the youth, and also due to the earnesty they permeated when they spoke on the wretched reality.

‘Wretched reality?’ you may ask. Contrary to their life on stage, their reality and living looked rather humble. Scarcity and shabbiness were mingled together. But it was clear that they looked happier than anyone else. We’ve looked into the two very different sides of Guckkasten; Guckkasten as an artist, and Guckkasten as an everyday human being. 

The 20s adolescents, dropping out of school for music


Q: You’re one of the hottest indie bands. Can you feel and realize your popularity?

HW: The number of audience increase for each concerts, and they get louder. The bass sound did not come out in the middle of today’s performance (Psychedelic Factory 3) but the audience cheered on nevertheless.

Q:Kibum’s performance was impressive. We were worried if you’d fall off the stage.

KB: No one can predict what I’ll do on stage. We were very much looking forward to today’s concert. But it wasn’t very different from other days. I threw off the bass guitar once or twice. To be honest, I regretted doing it. (laughs) I realized it is a foolish thing to do. And the bass guitar I used today is quite an expensive one. (laughs) If I am a fuel, then Jung-gil is a fire. When Jung-gil sets the fire on, I burn it up. When we go on stage, I commune with him mostly, and today we had a good connection. So I played right next to the drums and got hit by the cymbals and got a scratch.

Q: You performed in China and went to Japan before that. How was it?


HW: The concert in China was arranged by a record company in Japan. It was arranged in a tour format, comprised of 3 teams of musicians from Korea, Japan, and China. Originally we were supposed to perform in Beijing. They say it’s quite like Hongdae area in Korea. (Note: Hongdae is short for Hong-Ik University. Around Hong-Ik University, there are many clubs and small concert halls for indie bands.) But due to the outbreak of influenza virus, we had to change location to Shanghai all of sudden. There weren’t many people there because indie bands are not very active in Shanghai. We received good remarks, but it’s hard to say that we got a taste of Chinese band culture. We’re just happy to get an experience to perform overseas.

There were many audiences at Music Valley concert in Japan. I think there were about 3~400? We heard that there is a typical Japanese culture for the audiences there and we really felt it. They watch the concert quietly with their arms folded. We gained confidence that our music could be well received in overseas markets. Some foreigners came up to us and told us in person that they liked Guckkasten, and a journalist who writes about rock music in Asia told us “I don’t see Japanese bands’ performance because they put you asleep, but your performance was such an eye opener and a fantastic one.”

Q: The name of the band changed from ‘New Unbalance’, to ‘The C.O.M’, and to ‘Guckkasten’ over the period of 8 years.

HW: Guckkasten is the 3rd name. The first one was ‘New Unbalance’. That was back in 2001.We mostly played other bands’ music. We didn’t know how to write a song. Jung-gil, Gyuho, and myself are the original band members. At first we were hopeless. Then around 2002~3, we tried to find our own identity as ‘The C.O.M’. We had a keyboardist at that time. We were appointed as the Hidden Whiz at 2003 Ssamzie Sound Festival, but the band dismembered as Jung-gil and I had to do our military service. When we were discharged, Gyuho got in touch with me to do music one last time. I went to Gangwondo where Gyuho was, and we lived together and practiced for a year and half.

Kibum is a friend that I knew since high school. He played the bass guitar very well and he had a good showmanship, and I wanted him in our band. It’s been a year since he joined us. He was the bassist in Kim Kyungho band before he became the bassist of Guckkasten. (Note: Kyungho Kim is one of the most popular rock musicians in Korea.) You can say that only the bassist’s position changed in our band.

Q: It’s surprising to know that you had a keyboardist before. Looks like you have an ambition for keyboard sounds, but how come you don’t have a keyboard now?

HW: Because we have Gyuho and he is fantastic. His performance on guitar itself is great, but I think his technique with the effectors is the best in Korea. Therefore we don’t need a keyboard. When we first released our album, we were questioned a lot on whether we had a keyboardist because there are many sounds that are hard to express on guitar. That is how diverse he is in expressing with different sources.

Q: It is said that Hyunwoo and Jung-gil are friends from university.

HW: I first met Jung-gil when I was in uni. I was walking down a street and he approached me.

JG: Hyunwoo looked cool then. His outfit, behavior, and the looks in his eyes were something that I liked.  They were unique. So I went up to talk to him, but it turned out that he is without any thoughts. (laughs)

HW: Jung-gil is good at talking to strangers. One day he asks me if I like music. He asked me to join a school band that he was in. I was an art student then, but I became addicted as I performed. So I suggested that we go to Seoul if we are to do music seriously. We left a note saying ‘Sorry, everyone’ in the band’s room, quit school, and went to Seoul.

Living together for a year a half made Guckkasten



Q: When was the first time you did music?

HW: It was year 2000, when I met Jung-gil.

JG: When I was in year 12 at high school. The band just fizzled out.

GH: I formed a band in university. Actually I didn’t plan on going to a uni. I didn’t study much. In the end I got into a university but as the school was established not long ago, it didn’t have a school band. I asked if there was one, and the school said that I should elect a student council and make one myself. So I supported the school election by playing a guitar, singing, and making speeches. The student council was elected and he supported the practice room, bought a drum set, and supported the band in many ways. I first held a guitar when I was in year 5 but I started practicing seriously from year 9. My brother plays the guitar well. He went to serve the military when I was in year 11 and he teased me a lot then because I wasn’t that good. So I practiced hard to play better than him by the time he was discharged from the military service.

KB: When I was in year 10. I pestered my parents to buy me a bass guitar since my middle school years. I learned music from an institute and went to college as a music major, but it’s not a named school.

Q: Have you ever received a formal music education?

GH: I studied music theory separately. I studied harmonics on my own, but sometimes I studied with my brother when he was receiving music lessons. I didn’t specially pay a tuition fee to learn music.

JG: I went to an applied music institute in 2001. I learned drums for a year, and after that I got lessons for about 5 months. I practiced very hard in that 5 months, playing drums for 12 hours a day. The tuition fee was really expensive. It was KRW 50,000 (approx. US$ 50) per day, and I wanted to make the most out of it. (laughs) My drum skills improved a lot then.

Q: If Kibum played as a bassist in Kim Kyungho’s band, it means you are very talented. Are you not playing as a session these days?

JG: He quit these days.

HW: He should not do such a thing when he is in our team.

KB: They said I could continue playing as a session and that they will not cut off my income source. But they’re harassing me physically and verbally. (laughs) I’m only joking. I joined because I like Guckkasten’s music.

Q: It says that composition is a co-work of Guckkasten members. How do you make the melody?

GH: Hyunwoo brings us the image, which is the theme of a song. That is the raw material. These days, he brings us the material that is a little bit processed, but nevertheless, we all work to shape it together.

Q: Can you give some more details about living together in Gangwondo?

GH: I called Hyunwoo when he was discharged from the military service. He told me he was learning pottery and guitar. I asked him to meet up and questioned if he had an intention to do music once again. I told him I had the courage to try once more regardless of failure. He told me he would do it again, too. So I told him to leave wherever he was and come over.

JG: We met critical moments a lot. A year and half is easy to be said, but we got into arguments so many times. Our musical taste and our privacy got us quarreling all the time. It’s easy to get into arguments when you live together, no matter how close you are. We had no time for ourselves. But luckily we kept the same members. When I look back now, it seems that all this is our destiny, like there is one huge flow of fortune and that we are all getting dragged into it without us even realizing.

HW: Even if we did get into an argument, not one of us lost temper. We made peace quickly. Jung-gil was the peacemaker.


Q: How did you make earnings for living costs?

GH: We didn’t have to pay rent because we stayed at a lodge that my parents ran. I ran a small bar and used its earnings for other living costs, buying instruments, and paying for meals. It helped a lot. If we had different jobs, we wouldn’t have been able to concentrate and would’ve made things more difficult.

Q: Must have been truly difficult. Have you not thought about quitting?

JG: Not at all. We thought it was the final one and wanted to see an end to it.

Q: Your families must have been severely against you doing music.

JG: My family gave up on me. (laughs) They didn’t pay much attention.

GH: I told them straightforwardly about me doing music since I was young. I told them I will do music until I become 30 and told them not to interfere, but if I am left with no achievement in music at 30, then I would quit. My eldest brother, who graduated from Seoul National University and working in traditional Korean music industry, told me that it is difficult enough for him to make a living even if he got a degree from the the top university in Korea, and therefore it will be even more difficult to major foreign music and make a living out of it. He advised that if I’m to do it as a hobby, then I would just enjoy as a hobby, but if I were to take it seriously, I should set an age limit. That is why I set my age limit at 30.

JG: Hyunwoo was in the worst situation. Gyuho and I are the youngest in our families, but Hyunwoo is the eldest.

HW: My family was extremely against me doing music and it is worse than anyone can ever imagine. I was told that I shouldn’t set foot in the house ever again. I quit school on my own without consulting them. I got into the university because my mother had supported me. She had sent me to an art school secretly without letting my father know. Hence she felt extremely betrayed. The situation turned really bad when I told her that I quit school for music. My mother was seriously let down and she even went on the verge of suing other members. But in my opinion, music is an addiction and a gamble. Even the parents cannot stop you. It just makes you do it until you make the decision to stop.

KB: I think I’d sleep better at night when I buy a nice imported car for each of my parents. My parents fully supported me. When I was in the middle school, I didn’t last more than 3 months in institutes for studying other subjects because I lacked persistence. But I lasted more than 3 years with music and told them earnestly that I will play bass guitar, so that impressed my parents. They even bough me a bass guitar that cost more than KRW 3 million (approx. US$ 3,000). They encouraged me to go on and they are still very supportive.

Q: Guckkasten’s profile has improved recently. Has this changed anything?

HW: Although the profile has improved, the situation we’re in is not that different. I still don’t have any other job. But I think my family’s view on me has changed. At least they don’t see me as an ‘utter moron’ now.

GH: There is no special change. My mother came to our concerts a few times. She enjoyed them. She said she’s sorry for not helping much. She doesn’t disapprove now.

Q: Do you have any other side jobs?

GH: We have side jobs because we need to survive. I work at factories sometimes. Working at a factory started when I went to an institute under scholarship. I had to study but didn’t have time for part-time jobs. Nonetheless I had to pay rent and eat, so the quickest solution was to do physical labor. You can go there to work during the day or night, and if you work there for a few days, you make enough earnings to pay the rent and a glass of soju. I went to the factory, thinking I’d survive another day if I worked there. There are so many other things that I did besides this. Manual labor was the most efficient. Simple, no time limit, and paid on the spot.

JG: We’re in a better condition now. Besides Hyunwoo, we all teach and give lessons for students. We don’t do any other work.


Q: You once said there was a time when the three of you shared one ramyun (Note:'ramyun' is Korean instant noodle).

JG: I lived with Gyuho before going to military service. Hyunwoo then joined us and we had to eat, but there was only one packet of ramyun and some rice. So we cooked the noodle with a lot of water and ate our meal with that. When there was some leftover of that ramyun, we froze it, and cooked it again the next day. When we were 20, there was a time when I lived with Hyunwoo at a warehouse for a month. We lived with a single pair of socks for a month because it was too cold to wash. There was no hot water running, and when we turned on cold water, it froze instantly. There were no heaters and we couldn’t wash. When we worked part-time and got paid, we went to take a bath first and foremost.

Q: What makes you do music when it is so difficult?

JG: Music has been the biggest comfort for me at the most difficult times. It’s like a religion.

HW: There’s no other choice. Music is a way of communication and a weapon for me to live in this world. It’s daunting and scary to imagine having to live without this weapon. I’m not confident that I’d survive without music because my life is already hooked firmly on it. Music is the essence that I can communicate and survive in this world.

Q: Even so, would you have had to give in your everything? You could have done it(music) as a hobby.

HW: The moment you decide to take it as a hobby, that’s as far as you’re going to get. It’s hard enough to succeed even if you put everything in, so the game is over if you decide it’s going to be a hobby. It won’t even satisfy one’s self. Would earnesty and desperation be felt from a song made from one’s pastime? No way. And I wanted to see an end to something. I was very much irresolute until high school and I gained nothing. Personally, I needed something to accomplish with all my life and my everything.

JG: We had to concentrate although we went hungry and were starved. Concentration is everything in music. The pleasure you get from it cannot be forgotten.

Don’t leave your dream as just a dream but take challenge

Q: Is there anything you want to achieve in the name of Guckkasten?

HW: We’d like to share Guckkasten’s music with the world. It’s like the video game ‘Street Fighters’. When you beat Blanka, you then want to beat Dhalsim, and once you win over Dhalsim, you want to beat Chun-Li, and so on. It’s important to be recognized in Korea, but we’d like to share our music on the big stages. We’d like to go on Summer Sonic Festival in Japan, and we’d like to go to UK. Personally, I’d like to play in a band until I die.

JG: We’d like to be on the stage with Radiohead. And I think I’d be satisfied to have about KRW 500,000 (approx. US$ 500) in my bank account after paying all the rents and living costs from Guckkasten work.

GH: We need to make a lot of earnings then. (laughs)

Q: Can you give an advice for the ones that are starting an indie band?

HW: When I first formed a band, I though I would change the world. I thought I would become a hero, a rockstar. I was wrong. If you think in this way, you will fall quickly. I would like to advise them to be ambitious in music but cast away vanity.

GH: Don’t just think but do it. Playing the guitar well on your own at home will do no good. You have to come out and take challenge.

KB: Gyuho’s words are really important. You can think all you want on your own. Idling the time away will bring nothing. You have to step out if you want to do it.

Q: When can we listen to your 2nd album?

HW: We’re working on it now. We think you would be able to hear it early next year. We think it will be more organized. My part would become more complicated so it may be hard for me to go as crazy as the 1st album. We plan to take out all the unnecessary sources. We hope to present the compact package of all things we can show you. It will probably be the best sound that Guckkasten can currently create.


The four men constantly laughed and talked. Even when they were talking about the distress of having to smoke the cigarette buds on the ground, the difficulties of having to ask for leftover food, they were smiling and laughing. The hard life and the troubles they went through had turned into confidence that can paint their future and current life.

I suffered illness for a few days after doing the interview. I had to, really. It was due to the weight of passion that they showed me. How desperately are you working for your dreams, for your present and future? This question that sprang from the stories that Guckkasten shared on the day, had turned into a splinter that stuck deeply in my mind. And the weight of it grew. The pain that I felt then, shows the deficiency of a person who only lived to sustain an average life.

If you are lost because you do not know where to go in your life, I advise you to look into their life. The same advice goes to the ones who agonize over the basis of happiness. The same question will appear. The question that makes you look back at your present life is another present that Guckkasten has left for us.

‘Have you ever been passionately crazy for something?’


Article/Photo | Daewook Kim, Heesun Hong